I feel forced to respond to Leila's comment in this post. Hers is the second to last comment in the string. I don't think any post of mine has generated so many comments and they're not brief. Each one is an thoughtful essay and should stand on its own.
Leila said that I did not interpret her comment on her blog related to gay marriage and how infertiles fit in to that scenario correctly. I stand to differ. Here is the entire section of her comment I am referring to:
I want to speak to you as a fellow Christian now, as secular folks don't believe in the Fall of man. But you've often brought up the issue of elderly folks getting married. They can get married as long as they can physically partake in the salient act of marriage (conjugal love). The reason old folks cannot have children is for the same reason that infertile couples cannot: The Fall. Defect, aging, decay, disease. All from the Fall.This is what I said:
And on Leila's blog she took the time to say that infertility was due to "the Fall." And that meant that I was defective, diseased, old, decayed.And this is how she responded:
If you put a direct quote up, and in context, you would see that I never said that and never "meant" that. I am very careful about the words I use (although in comments, they can be rushed). Never would I say that an infertile woman was "defective, diseased, old and decayed"! Just never.Let's run through the logic, shall we? Infertile couples cannot have children because of the Fall and defect, aging, decay, disease emanate from the Fall. It follows that my husband and I are infertile and do not have children thus we are "an infertile couple." Infertiles cannot have children because of the Fall and defect, aging, decay, and disease all come from the Fall. Therefore, our infertility is caused by defect, aging, decay, and disease. If as a sufferer of infertility, I can call myself an infertile woman, I am defective, diseased, old, decayed.
JoAnna did in a manner of speaking support my statement by saying:
A healthy female and a healthy male can and will procreate eventually if they time intercourse accordingly and all systems are working as they should. If they do not conceive within a year, then there is an unexplained disease or defect (nutritional deficiency, etc.) that is preventing one or both of their reproductive systems from functioning as intended (biologically).I really can't tell how the gay marriage debate and denying gays the right to marry based entirely on the notion of procreation morphed into explaining why infertiles are infertile: the Fall. I'm siding with Joy Beyond the Cross and the Misfit in saying that the Fall offers me no comfort and it really makes absolutely no sense to bring up this topic in the context of gay marriage. Why did we get stuck on this? Was it to divert attention to the issue at hand which is the unfair targeting of infertiles in the argument against gay marriage?